That is a question that each must answer for themselves. However, before making that decision, you might wish to consider the following questions and answers:
1. To what or whom is an attorney’s first duty? We consult the latest Corpus Juris Secundum (C.J.S.) legal encyclopedia, volume 7, section 4 for the answer below:
2. What is the legal relationship between an attorney and his/her client?
3. What is a ward of the court?
(Are you an infant or person of unsound mind?)
4. Do you need to challenge jurisdiction? Better read the following, particularly “…because if pleaded by an attorney…..”
Conclusions of law:
When you hire an attorney, you become a ward of the court and a second class citizen and you admit the jurisdiction of the court in the matter at hand.
You can’t hire an attorney if you want to challenge jurisdiction.
If you want to challenge jurisdiction, the only way you can do it is as a “sui juris” and/or “in propria persona”.
- Here is what I would say: When going into court and the “Judge” asks you for your name I’d say “I am making a special appearance as the attorney-in-fact for ____[legal name] and you may refer to me as [first name]. I am challenging your jurisdiction and authority over a living man, you are unlawfully conflating me, attorney-in-fact agent, with the legal incorporated person that is my principal .”
A “Special Appearance” is defined in Blacks Law Dictionary, and other sources, as
When a party or the party’s attorney appears in court solely to challenge the jurisdiction of the court over the party and thus there is no argument on any other matter. An appearance in court other than for a special appearance is a general appearance and a party that appears is presumed to have waived its right to challenge the jurisdiction of the court.
Should you hire an attorney? What do you think?
By becoming a World citizen of the World Government of World Citizens, we voluntarily follow Title 8, U.S.C. §1481– Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions and are rendered automatically OUTSIDE the jurisdiction of these corporate courts.
[The] fact of the matter, the governor and its agencies falls under the executive branch of government. The court system today, including the clerk of courts, are not judicial but administrative pursuant to Florida Statutes 120 and 5 U.S.C. the Administrative Procedure Act (federal & state) since they are not article III or constitutional courts, they are administrative courts that fall under the executive branch and under the Administrative Procedure Acts.
Secondly, why would anyone in their right mind even hire an attorney? The court and its officers can only interact with either a corporation, trust or “ward of the court” (except in a court of record in a common law venue which is a superior court) and cannot interact with a live human “people”. Under Corpus Juris Secundum (CJS), (means “body of law”)
Volume 7, Section 4 – Attorney & client: The attorney’s first duty is to the courts and the public, not to the client, and wherever the duties to his client conflict with those he owes as an officer of the court in the administration of justice, the former must yield to the latter.”
Clients are also called “wards” of the court in regard to their relationship with their attorneys. See the lawyer’s code of ethics; see 7 CORPUS JURIS SECUNDUM at section 4 which reads:
“7 C.J.S. Section 4. Nature and Duties of Office. An attorney is an officer of the court with an obligation to the courts and the public as well as to his clients, and his duty is to facilitate the administration of justice. An attorney does not hold an office or public trust, in the constitutional or statutory sense of that term, and strictly speaking, he is not an officer of the state or of a governmental subdivision thereof. Rather, as held in many decisions, he is an officer of the court, before which he has been admitted to practice. An attorney is not the court or one of its ministerial officers, or a law enforcement officer. He is, however, in a sense an officer of the state, with an obligation to the courts and to the public no less significant than his obligation to his clients. Thus, an attorney occupies a “dual position” which imposes “dual obligations.”
His first duty is to the courts and the public, not to the client, and wherever the duties his client conflict with those he owes as an officer of the court in the administration of justice, the former must yield to the latter. 1950 the 81st Congress Investigated the Lawyers Guild and determined that the B.A.R. Association is founded and ran by communists under definition. Thus any elected official that is a member of the B.A.R. will only be loyal to the B.A.R. and not the people.
We now know why on the 9th December in 1945 the International Organization Immunities Act relinquished every public office of the United States to the United Nations. In 8 U.S.C. §1481 stated that once an oath of office is taken citizenship is relinquished, thus any state employee becomes a foreign entity, agency, or state. That means every public office is a foreign state, including all political subdivisions. (i.e., every single court is considered a separate foreign entity.) Under 22 U.S.C. (Foreign Relations and Intercourse) Chapter 11 identifies all public officials as foreign agents. Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (F.R.C.P.) 4j states that the Court jurisdiction and immunity fall under a foreign State.
Any state agency that operates “For Profit” is not dejure but defacto and void of immunity thus operating like any other publicly trading corporation as declared by the U.S. supreme Court – Clearfield Trust v. U.S., 318 US 363 – 1943.
The real question is, which state agencies are in charge of the enforcement of law against a clerk of court? That is the avenue I wish to pursue, outside of a private civil action and simply not interested in being disgruntled in writing a complaint just to be ignored by a state agency which has been par for the course when dealing with state agencies, like the fox watching the chicken coup.
Private Attorney General – 42 U.S.C. §1988
Qualified Criminal Investigator – 18 U.S.C. §1510
Federal Witness – 18 U.S.C. §§1512, 13; 1964(a)(b)(c)(d)
Ordained Minister/Ambassador – Protected Foreign official – 18 U.S.C. §112; 22 U.S.C. §254; 18 U.S.C §1116 (3)
Absolute Immunity as a Corporation – 28 U.S.C. §1608
F.S.I.A. (§§1976, 1997)
Secured Foreign Party – 28 U.S.C. §§1602-1611
Florida Notary – F.S. 117
Correct. Courtrooms are ADMINISTRATIVE and not lawfully Judicial. ATTORNEYS are OFFICERS OF THE STATE/COURT.